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Michael L. Binge is a private GIS consultant, certified GIS professional and licensed land surveyor in Arizona, California and Colorado.

What Does "˜The Road Ahead' Look Like?

August 1, 2012
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The 2012 Survey Summit and ACSM Annual Conference, which took place July 21-24 in San Diego, drew an estimated 250 attendees. The “Road Ahead” theme was an apt metaphor. For the first time in a long time, there seems to be some doubt about the direction we are taking as a profession.

The 2012 Survey Summit and ACSM Annual Conference, which took place July 21-24 in San Diego, drew an estimated 250 attendees. Instead of being held at the San Diego Convention Center, which everyone agreed was too large for the group, this year’s Summit was relocated a few blocks northwest to the Manchester Grand Hyatt overlooking Seaport Village.

The theme for 2012 was “The Road Ahead.” Curt Sumner, executive director of NSPS, delineated some of the administrative challenges in reorganizing the national organizations for surveyors. Brent Jones, the outgoing Esri Survey Summit coordinator, opined that the cloud has “changed the footprint of surveying and GIS more than anything to date.”

As in past years, the Summit overlapped the Esri International User Conference, which reportedly drew a crowd of nearly 15,000 people. Although a number of exhibiters and presenters were “defunded” and therefore absent as a result of the General Services Administration spending scandal, the show floor was still huge.

During a media “Lunch with Jack” session on July 24, Esri founder and president Jack Dangermond said that “the world is going to a services model,” and the new look at Esri will be themed “geography as a platform.” What does this mean? Well, it’s good news for small businesses. The shift to software services in the cloud along with the data allows just about anyone to publish and share their own data pages. They can also take their apps to the field with iPhones and other mobile devices.

The “Road Ahead” theme from the Summit is an apt metaphor. For the first time in a long time, there seems to be some doubt about the direction we are taking as a profession. I believe this has something to do with the cloud. While all of the traditional “new toys” could be held in our hands, the cloud is amorphous and ephemeral-we can’t buy it and own it.

In the past, we knew where the road ahead was because we had the plans and we surveyed it. Today, it’s much less clear. One thing GIS has in common with surveying is that it is not just a job or a profession-it’s more like a belief system or a religion.

The GIS crowd pretty much all showed up at this year’s Summit. The surveyors, at least en masse, didn’t. Maybe the road ahead has a fork in it. I hope not.
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"˜The Road Ahead'

Geo1
August 1, 2012
Here in New Mexico...the "road ahead" looks dismal to say the least. I've been in the business for over 35 years and the downturn in the early to mid 70's is nothing compared to what "REAL" NM surveyors are facing today. The competition for work has been, let me say, cut-throat. Surveyors doing work and bidding jobs for practically nothing. Which in turn has depleted the consumers confidence and now expect a lot of something for nothing! I receive several calls a day from past, present and some potentially new clients that are constantly "job shopping" other surveyors. I.E.... "Survey company "A" said they would do the job for amount "B" from their "price list" when you charged us "C" on a similar work order last year!" LAST YEAR? PRICE LIST!! Oh...ok I'll say my work is worth LESS now than a year ago! SURE! Wish I had that wife, that was an attorney or doctor so that I might continue surveying ...AS A HOBBY!! LOL!!! Point being...I'm not going to create some bogus "price list" as I have been asked for recently. And if other "professional surveyors" HAVE a price list... I believe that they should reconsider what they are doing and start selling hamburgers and french fries from their "value menu" for amount "B"!

The Road Ahead

Utah_Surveyor
August 1, 2012
The reason surveyors didn't to the show up because They were out WORKING! or selling burgers... By the way, great comment from Geo1. Very Cut-throat here as well. A word to fellow Surveyors, charge what a professional should charge. This low ball price game has got to stop. Do yourself and all of us a favor and charge a fair price. Professionals should be providing the services, not Wendy's value menus.

The Road Ahead

AZ Surveyor
August 1, 2012
It saddens and also sickens me to see what's become of a lot of the so-called professionals in this game. The cut-throat practices are thriving in Arizona. Everyone is getting a bad name because of it. When you attempt to charge a fair price, you are practically accused of highway robbery. It's a pretty good indication of where it's headed when the first statement out of a potential client's mouth is, "I have this piece of property. How much will it cost to get it surveyed?" I'm sick of the profession (after 40 years) and I'm sick of the SOB's who are running it into the ground with their low prices and crappy work.

What Does "˜The Road Ahead' Look Like?

RADU
August 2, 2012
Gidday first to Michael, Well fellow surveyors you will be heartened to hear that in the land down under many surveyors are emulating your low ballers. So I decided to put my fees up to immediately scare way the cheapskate wanna be clients. Saves so much wasted time getting that bitter pill out up front! The good clients stay because they appreciate value for money, that time is money and the tidbits of sage that one obligingly throws in as money can never buy that. The real estate development market in South Australia is dead as both developer and purchaser can not procure funds as the Australian government gave a government guarantee to banks and in return the banks upped their required equity and lessened the amount of their income that could be use to repay the loan. For those wishing to survey in remote mining areas in Australia (particularly Western Australia), there are opportunities for engineering surveyors with experience in road, rail and construction and can use the latest technology. If it helps I understood that US surveyors were on the Oz wanted list to get work permits. Check with our US embassy.

Work "Down Under"

Geo1
August 2, 2012
I might just look into that RADU...And I'm a stob knockin' fool! (as in I do/used to do a lot of commercial construction staking) Always wanted to visit Perth... And just maybe...I could find and marry one of your beautiful Australian women and be able to stay indefinitely... Ya'll have licensure reciprocity down there??!! This is starting to sound better every minute!

The Road Ahead

WV Surveyor
August 2, 2012
Interesting to see that my fellow surveyors in the western states share the same concerns and issues we have here in the Mid Atlantic - The fee schedule of the lowest priced surveyor in town sets everyone rates. We tout professionalism, yet I see so much unprofessional behavior from my peer group that I initial my plats, LLS, (Licensed Land Surveyor") because the word "Professional Surveyor" doesn't apply. I work for a consulting engineering firm and am myself a licensed professional engineer as well as surveyor. I don't see the cut throat competitive pricing and lack of cooperation and respect in the engineering profession nearly as much as I observe it among surveyors.

the cost of living

Donald McLaughlin
August 2, 2012
I've pulled chain.. and now working with GPS.. I feel that the GIS end of our field GPS, Scanning, Lidar etc is the future as it is moving along with technology that is moving forward... in the US real estate has become a swamp of sink holes because of our clients... move forward... let them swim in the mud.. and find someone that can give them a product worth paying for.. field guy... just say'n

The Road Ahead

GJW
September 6, 2012
Bidded jobs need to retire as a method of estimating. We need to start with a retainer and guesstimate an overall cost but it has to be left open ended to overcome unanticipated errors or missing information. The percentage game like realtors use doesn't work because large rural areas may require massive effort for little pay using percentage. Some so called clients complain already. Let them complain louder.

A Fork in the Road

Dougie
December 19, 2012
"...Maybe the road ahead has a fork in it. I hope not. I hope not too. Most surveyors I know, don't like black boxes spitting answers at them. They want to see, feel, manipulate, the data with their bare hands. It's understandable; surveyors have always been liable for their services and like to cover their a... With todays technology it's more about the input; garbage in, garbage out. This is where we need the surveyor; insuring the right data is used for the desired output. I hear a lot of grumbling from surveyors about the overwhelming aspects of large data sets; how the parcel data for the country is 'too much'. Well, we're not getting any younger; there's no time like the present; if not the surveyor, then who?

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