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David O'Brien, PSM, CFedS, LEED AP, is a co-founder and president of SurvTech Solutions Inc., which was founded in 2004. He received a Bachelor of Science degree in Surveying Engineering from the University of Maine in 1993. O’Brien is a professional surveyor and mapper (PSM) licensed in 10 states, a certified federal surveyor (CFedS) and a LEED AP. He has been an owner or partner of a surveying firm since 1995. David writes regularly for GeoDataPoint. Additional information about SurvTech's 3D laser scanning services can be found at  www.floridalaserscanning.com.

How Education Raises the Bar for Surveyors

February 6, 2013
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The recent article on surveyors and education elicited a broad range of comments, both in the online article and in related social media posts.

The recent article on surveyors and education elicited a broad range of comments, both in the online article and in related social media posts. First, let's state the obvious: A college degree does NOT always make better surveyors, nor do years of experience always make better surveyors. In both scenarios there are many factors, such as the intelligence and personality of the individual, the quality of the education and the quality of the experience.

Of course, if we truly want to be good or great at anything in life, we can never stop learning and practicing. But what is the minimum amount of required education a surveyor should have to be allowed to take the surveyor's exam? Is it none? Is it an associate degree? Is it a bachelor’s or master’s degree? Or maybe it should be a doctorate?

Let's look at society. Do we as surveyors want to be perceived as being in the same category as mechanics or welders, or do we want to our profession to be compared to that of engineers, architects, attorneys and even doctors? If we as a profession want to gain more respect and earn a higher income, then we need to meet the same standards as other esteemed professions. How many engineers, architects or attorneys do you know that don't have a four-year college degree? I'm sure there are a few, but not many. In fact, many architects have a master’s degree and there has been much talk of engineers changing their requirements to a master’s degree as well.

If we want to be known as professionals, then we must have an education requirement. Arguing about whether it makes an individual a better surveyor is really a moot point. In general, education does make better surveyors when combined with quality experience.

Today’s young men and women who excel in high school seek out college degrees that will reward them for their excellence, either through higher pay or a rewarding career. Is surveying a consideration? The perception that surveying can provide a challenging and rewarding career will attract better talent to the profession and will boost our image as professionals.

The bottom line is that excelling at anything requires discipline, sacrifice and hard work. There are NO shortcuts; we must continually improve our skills and knowledge. Obtaining a four-year degree won't teach us everything we need to know about surveying, but it will teach us how to learn and then communicate that knowledge to others. If we want to be viewed as professionals, we should not look at surveying as a job someone can "fall" into but rather as a highly skilled career that takes years of education, training and experience, just to meet the minimum proficiency.

A college degree is the first step in the lifelong process of learning and education that is needed to be a good surveyor. It’s time to raise the bar.
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Education later in a career

Ross Wolff
February 6, 2013
While I don't disagree with the message, I have a bit of a different problem. I have worked in the survey profession for almost 27 years now, starting with a BCLS here in British Columbia, and moving on to work with an engineering company. I am now in a position where I am the senior and most knowledgeable surveyor in our group and am expected to train new staff. This is fine as it relates to field work, equipment and data controllers, but being that my educational background was actually as a construction engineering technologist I am left with the feeling that my geomatics education is insufficient to the task at hand. I would like to improve this with formal education but am certainly not in a position where I can leave my job for 4 years to pursue a better education, and from the searching that I have done so far the idea of online or distance education for geomatics seems to be completely undeveloped. So my question is - why isn't there a more modern way to educate people in Geomatics? Or perhaps, why isn't it more prolific? My observation over the years is that very few young people end up pursuing a career in geomatics because few really even know it exists as an option. What does happen is that you end up having people that you hire as assistants that come to love the work and the lifestyle, but most people end up in the same trap of having a family/mortgage/lifestyle that won't easily allow them to leave the world of work and go to school. Does this mean that they aren't devoted enough to qualify? Or focused enough? I think we need to develop better educational formats, and that will help alleviate the lack of new blood entering the profession.

Education Raises the Bar

Andrew L. Sikes
February 6, 2013
David O'Brien's comments are correct. The subject has been debated a long time, possibly back to the Statutes of Frauds, 1604 AD. An artical I wrote (http://www.sikessurveying.com/news-1998.html) in 1998 supports much of what Mr. O'Brien offers.

Education for Surveyors

Fred Dodd
February 6, 2013
The idea of a bachelor's degree solely for the purpose of improving the perception of surveying as a profession? I hope not. I hope it is about attracting qualified candidates who are interested in a rewarding career. Those candidates who have a bahelor's degree or higher are, in my opinion, better prepared to face the evovling technology and persue this career as life long learners. I am not saying this is true of all surveyors, but I believe it is the best basis for a career in surveying.

4 year college degree requirement

TS
February 8, 2013
As I commented on the first article, experience should be more of a factor in becoming registered than a degree. I qualified through the old school method with high school diploma and 8 years of progressive experience. Would have a 4 year degree in engineering or surveying better prepared me to pass the exam? Personally I do not think so. Surveying to become a professional has historically been an apprenticeship endeavor. The biggest problem I see with the profession now is the lack of young people even thinking about surveying for a living.

4-year college/degree

Harold Baldwin
February 11, 2013
The discussion is long and old. It is not the surveyor or his experience, it is the public perception that matters the most. If we are journeymen, then we cannot call ourselves "professional" and expect the public to hold us the same esteem as engineers or GIS professionals. The evolution of the criteria is the next issue and we need to be in that arena (higher education/colleges) to be a part of the agenda on curriculae. in todays technology, we are still transit and chain and we cannot even sit at the same table as the GIS people when it comes to credentials that matter to the rest of the world. We keep showing up in muddy boots while they are suit and tie! Time for us to face up and start on a real change in image/perception of the surveyor. Harold Baldwin, PLS Chair Western Federation of Professional Surveyors (WESTFED)

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