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Sight Lines: A Land Surveyor by Any Other Name

May 18, 2009
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Discussions on what land surveyors should call themselves are becoming increasingly common as many surveyors seek to broaden their scope beyond boundary surveying by offering scanning, modeling, GIS and other services. From my perspective, a change in terminology could be a good move for a profession dogged by value perception issues and education problems.



A POB Newsline story in our May issue focused on Purdue University’s controversial decision to end its Bachelor of Science degree program in land surveying and geomatics engineering (BS LSGE) in favor of a broader program focused on geospatial science and engineering. Elsewhere in that issue, columnist Milton Denny wonders if it’s time to move away from the term “surveyors” and begin using a more expansive label. These discussions are becoming increasingly common as many surveyors seek to broaden their scope beyond boundary surveying by offering scanning, modeling, GIS and other services.

From my perspective, a change in terminology could be a good move for a profession dogged by value perception issues and education problems. Today’s young people are drawn to high-tech fields with an emphasis on earth-oriented applications, so a title such as “geospatial engineer” or “geomatics professional” is likely to attract far more attention among the next generation of prospective professionals. Also, it seems logical that individuals with such titles could command higher fees simply based on the perception of those roles. While boundary surveying and retracement services will always be needed, most professionals agree that diversification and the embracing of advanced technologies and practices are key to the profession’s long-term survival. It makes sense that the terminology associated with the profession would likewise become broader in scope.


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Naming Land Surveyors

Bob Beilfuss RLS
May 23, 2009
In Wisconsin we have a survey modernization bill which addresses the name we are called. In the various ststutes and administrative codes we are listed as "land surveyor", "registered land surveyor" and "professional land surveyor" Our license calls us "Land Surveyor" but our seals/stamps require "Registered Land Surveyor" on them. We took the opportunity to eliminate the confusion and WSLS took a poll of our members. Most wanted to do away with the RLS as nurses, dogs and cattle to name a few are registered. We provide professional services and show be addressed as such. So after the bill is passed, Wisconsin surveyors will be known as "Professional Land Surveyors" and be allowed to add the initials P.L.S. after their name. I'm good with this name. It says what I do.

Surveyor who?

Richard Abbott
May 26, 2009
In South Australia where we have had a survey degree program since around 1960 I have witnessed my 3 year degree with over 30 contact hours grow to 4 years and move from engineering to earth science faculty. Science based subjects, especially mathematics and physics were dropped for broad base education. As I type the Surveyors Board are implementing further change where mathematics is reintroduced. Students take a general 4 year degree then take a postgraduate course in surveying for 18 months in-house and 6 months documented practical field expedience with a surveying firm in their chosen field of surveying expertise. eg. cadastral, GIS, geodetic, engineering etc. On graduation with a master's degree they have then a minimum of 12 to 18 months of documented practical experience before undertaking and an proved professional project in their chosen field. On passing those undertaking cadastral are annually Licensed Surveyors and the other forms Registered Surveyors in their chosen field of disciple to indicate their field of expertise. During the last 20 years the university modernist reformers in Australia change the surveying course name to geoinformatics in an endeavor to broaden the appeal. In reality as the traditional term surveyor was missing course numbers fell. The surveying profession's greatest weakness is their very members who fail to actively promote their role in the community. Given that the profession has traditionally been poor promoters of their professional role I would suggest any name change not including surveyor would only further alienate surveyors. After all, surveying is considered the world's oldest profession, so it would be a sad day if the descriptive term surveyor faded from the horizon.

Surveyor?

Mike Vanderwalker, PLS
May 27, 2009
Again we sit here deciding what to call ourselves, while we keep on allowing our profession to disappear. It's almost as if we keep on trying to decide on what size lock to put on the barn door of a building with only one wall. In the mean time all the animals in the barn are gone. After all with affidavits in lieu of survey anyone who can draw breath can certify a survey plat. The GIS ship has allready sailed and the SUE ship is at the dock ready to cast off. So let's just keep on deciding what to call ourselves. Just remember the fastening devise of the entry portal of the farm animal containment structure containing 1 wall.

Name or Title

Charles McIntosh, PSM
May 27, 2009
Surveyor's, regardless of the name or title given by the board overseeing their actions, provide numerous services that may or may not be reflected within that name or title. As with other professions, such as doctors, attorneys, CPA's and airplane pilots, there is a common title, with diverse specializations in the profession. A simple example how diverse the title of "surveyor" is; recognizing the differences between a "land surveyor" and a "construction surveyor". It's easy to see that an effort to group or classify the term "surveyor" could lead to a lengthy debate. However, there should be one overall classification or designation. Within that, individuals can elect the specialized fields of practice, to be overseen and qualified by the governing body. If the practice is to measure the land or the improvements upon the land, regardless of the methodology used, and you are licensed to do so, you are a Professional Surveyor. As with engineers, you would not seek out an engineer to design a subdivision and expect to find a "train engineer" preparing plans. Dividing the professions title or name, in an effort to define the services provided, is an unreasonable and potentially untenable task.

Kudos!

Jim Jacobsen
May 27, 2009
Kudos to Richard and Mike. If the average person asks me what I do, I tell them I am a Profesional Land Surveyor, then they promptly aske me, what is that. Even in the realm of real estate we are looked upon as a sometimes required nuisance. I also feel that until we educate the consumers of our products to their necessity and value they add, we will continually loose interest in our profession.

Who you going to call? A Land Surveyor

Deral Paulk
May 27, 2009
Our state of Oklahoma went through an identity crisis some years ago. We went from Land Surveyor to Registered Land Surveyor to Professional Land Surveyor. I cannot really see any impact the name change has had on pay or prestige. In my opinion, the schools are promoting filling seats and want to glamorize anything that they think will fill their coffers. I don't fault them entirely for this and I do think basic geography and computers are important. But it is not what defines us as Land Surveyors. The schools do not put enough emphasis on the legal aspects nor offer enough law classes in most programs. I somewhat excel in the GIS arena but it is because of my Land Surveying skills and reasoning that I prosper when doing GIS related work. Geomatics and other terms sound like something that Billy Mays (Shamwow!) would think up for a late night commercial. If a person needs a highrise built, a property line run or a route to be staked they know that they need to call a Land Surveyor. I'm happy to just be a Surveyor.

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