Acad Civil 3D - How Complex?

Posted by: Steve Lappin

I am a Landman, not a surveyor, and much of my work involves field mapping of geology sample points, claim posts, etc for mining companies.  Also I plot mining claim and land status maps based on courthouse and BLM research.

I use Autocad LT to create my maps, which after rotating, scaling, and shifting can be dropped in on top of their GIS maps within mapping grade tolerances.

However, a very good client of mine thinks I need to spend $6000 on Acad Civil 3d, so I can directly import the points from my Trimble to Civil 3d, thus creating a GIS smart map. I would consider the expenditure except for all the negatives I have read about 3D.

I believe my computer is up to the task of Civil 3D: Windows 7 Pro, I7 processor, 16 gigs ram, plenty of HD space; not sure about the video card.

The learning curve is the most common complaint. So my question is:Will  I be able to jump right in and plot non-projected maps  just as I had been in Acad LT 2007, then learn all the other stuff as needed?

I do have a limited understanding of GIS and projections and have messed around some with Arcview and Manifold and MapInfo, not that I could sit down and edit a map with any of them, but I do have a basic understanding of shapefiles, tables, etc.

I've read a lot of raves about Carlson and I know they have a GIS system but I worry that the product would not be entirely compatible with the client's Civil 3D mapping.

What say you, is Civil 3D going to satisfy my everyday drafting need and allow me to progress into GIS, or will it just be another unused dog on my desktop.

Thanks, and sorry for the long post.

Stephen Lappin
Grand Junction, CO

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AutoCAD Civil 3D

kevin
May 16, 2012
My advise/opinion is to reject Civil 3D, and AutoDesk in general. That is a company who has thrown land surveyors under the bus, so to speak, as they (try to) force us into supporting their selfish company through the wasteful and stupid purchase, maintenanece and incessant problems of a bloated behemouth of an over-priced program. In addition you will use only the smallest fraction of the program you purchase -even while you pay and pay and pay. If they insist, you may try asking your good client to buy it for you and pay for the training. Just a thought.

AutoCAD Civil 3D

Eric
May 17, 2012
Kevin is right. AutoDesk will not hesitate to throw you under the bus. As soon as you decide that maybe you really do not need to sign up for that next installment of the subscription, they will heap endeavor to make you wish that you has with punitive pricing to get back in. They have little appreciation fot he fact that surveyors and engineers are responsible for getting them into the position they are in today, and even if you have been working their product for 20 years - they do not care. If you suffer a moment of ungratefulness, they will see to it that it gets turned into a greater feeling of discontent. Their software generates a new activation request code when you load it, which means you will need a new authorization code to activate it. THis is not a big deal until somewhere down the road when your computer finally gives up the ghost and you need to load the software on a new computer and you have not been contributing to AutoDesk's greater good... So, you can maybe beg and plead and get some help, but you will HAVE to. They do not offer an option to purchase a perpetual license that would not make this an issue... Be wary...

AutoCAD Civil 3D

Dave S
May 18, 2012
C3D has extensive capabilities, most of which you probably don't need or can't use. If you are working interactively with a long-term project that is C3D based, you would need to have and use it, and charge on that basis like your competitors. I'm guessing that you are largely collecting PNEZD data. Using C3D to import and pass that data in a drawing file is massive overkill. Even if you are collecting more data fields per point, passing the extended data in a ESRI-type GIS shapefile would allow experienced project C3D personel to link the extended data to the points. Since you already use Autodesk products, you are familiar with thier license and subscription requirements and C3D is no better or worse than what you already have. Your decision should be based on whether a project or client requires the use of C3D - if they don't, you don't need it unless you are interested in the challenge for your own sake and can afford the time to figure things out and the money for the program. Manifold GIS would give you good data and mapping capabilities that Autocad LT doesn't have. Also consider that Autocad Map would allow you to import and export shapefiles in a Autodesk environment for less expense and complexity than C3D.

AutoCAD Civil3D

Patrick
June 8, 2012
Concur. The learning curve in Civil3D is too great to even just get started. MicroSurvey, which fortunately/unfortunately has just been purchased by Autodesk. It uses native .dwg file types and has a very easy library and downloading interface to bring in field data and having it converted with symbology and such. Plus it's about a seventh of the price of C3D. MicroSurvey "acts/feels" much like older versions of AutoCAD, so jumping onto MS from A2007LT is really not an issue.

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