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Surveyors Make a Fantastic Discovery in the South

In the history of boundaries between states, one that has gained national attention is the boundary between North Carolina and Georgia. A recent discovery is once again putting this boundary in the spotlight.



In the history of boundaries between states, one that has gained national attention is the boundary between North Carolina and Georgia. In the struggle to agree on a common boundary, 35 degrees of latitude was acceptable to both states in the early 1800s. The problem was surveying 35 degrees of latitude that was acceptable to both states. While many attempts were made, most fell short of the standards required by the states. The Colonial surveyor Andrew Ellicott was one individual who was capable of achieving the desired accuracy. The federal government took a hands-off attitude on boundaries between states but did recommend Andrew Ellicott for the work because of his considerable experience in running long boundaries based on latitude. The cost for the work was borne by the states and not the federal government.

In the early fall of 1811, Ellicott arrived in the region between North Carolina and Georgia and began taking readings to develop latitude. Most of these sites were on the tops of mountains north of the 35 degree latitude line. The information developed from these observations was transferred southerly to establish the line. The line was to start at the Chattooga River and run west. Ellicott finished his work in the last few days of 1811.

A few years later, a commission was formed by the adjoining states to finalize the line. They found what they called Ellicott’s Rock in the Chattooga River, accepted a rock nearby and designated it the Commissioner’s Rock. This has been accepted as the common boundary of Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina for the last 200 years.

I have never been satisfied that the stone in the river had anything to do with Andrew Ellicott, and these are the reasons. The latitude of the Commissioner’s Rock is about 43-00-03.5, or about 350 feet north of 35 degrees. In all of the other places Ellicott’s established latitude was short of the latitude by 2 to 7 seconds. Also, Ellicott understood if you wanted points to survive, they needed to be on the bank of the river, not in the river itself.

Bill Morton, an author and researcher of Ellicott, discovered a letter written by Ellicott that said the stone set was west of the Chattooga River. To me, this meant on top of the high bank nearby, which is 560 feet above the river.

I made a trip to the area with Dr. Larry Crowley, a professor from Auburn University, to record the latitude and longitude of mountaintops. Using this information, I developed what I believed was the most probable location of the stone.

On Feb. 11, 2012, a crew consisting of Bart Crattie and me, who are both registered surveyors, along with Dr. Crowley, made the trek to the proposed location. The search resulted in finding an Ellicott mound with stone at N34-59-58.68 and W83-07-09.5 (see the photo, taken by Bart Crattie). I believe this is Ellicott’s original line. It fits all the criteria that I look for in Ellicott’s work – just short of 35 degrees, the mound and stone, on top of the bank not in the river, and located where it should be according to his records.

The work will need to continue to find other evidence of the line. Will this change the state boundaries? I don’t think it should, but it is nice that after 200 years we can walk in the footsteps of the great surveyor Andrew Ellicott.

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Milton Denny, PLS, is the owner of Denny Enterprise LLC in Tuscaloosa, Ala., a company serving the surveying and mapping community through consulting and seminar services.

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Treasure Hunting

R. Douglas Borden
February 16, 2012
I would have enjoyed accompanying your "crew" on that trek to rediscover Ellicotts line and monumentation. My wife calls it Treasure Hunting whenever we go looking for monumentation for a survey. Good work gentlemen. Good treasure.

Fantastic Discovery

Ralph O. Clements
February 16, 2012
What a feat of boundary surveying art and science! Congratulations to all involved. I see a lot of articles on great survey projects that are quite impressive but this one is truly great -

Your recent venture, Milt

Bill Hower, PLS
February 16, 2012
Great discovery by a great surveyor!!

Fantastic Discovery, yes!

George Dumas, PLS (Ret)
February 16, 2012
AMEN!!!!!

Very well done

Jamed (Mike) Hillman PE & LS
February 16, 2012
Milton, I not surprised at all to see your name on this article. We are fact finders, our job is to ferret out the old and seperate it from the "new". So few of us take this effort. As I've told you, when finding the prize egg, the hair stands up on the back of your neck 'cause you know you are walking in footsteps 200 yrs old. My best.

Exciting Survey Adventure Discovery

Michael J.VanHorn C.S.T.
February 16, 2012
Wow, I loved the story about rediscovering the State Boundary line. I would love to help continue the project.

Great Work !

Walllace T. Bryan L.S.
February 16, 2012
Just one question.....what do you attribute to Ellicott being that accurate some 200 years ago

You are a real SURVEYOR

J F Forero
February 16, 2012
Congratulations for your finding! Just a few people are concern about our history. In nowdays, do you think taht we are ready to accomplish same job using "theirs tools"?

Fantastic Discovery

J. Bullock
February 16, 2012
I Googled the Lat & Long to see what the terrain looked like. Unbelievable, I can't wait to congratulate you at a future seminar! That's the wildest & wooliest terrain I've ever seen! How did you even get to the site --- by canoe?

Following in the original footsteps.....

Jim King, PLS (NC)
February 16, 2012
Job well done, gentlemen. Please clarify the latitude in the following excerpt: "The latitude of the Commissioner's Rock is about 43-00-03.5, or about 350 feet north of 35 degrees." Should it read 00-00-03.5? Details, you know. Again, thanks and congratulations.

Following in the original footsteps.....(correction)

Jim King, PLS (NC)
February 16, 2012
Whoops! I meant 35-00-03.5. Details......

Iowa follow-up

Al Dietz
February 16, 2012
Thanks. This is a great follow-up to the seminar you gave in Ames last month on this very subject.

Great Work

Jonathan Bedsole
February 17, 2012
Very interesting. Dr. Crowley was one of my favorite professors at Auburn. His Construction Management classes were always relevant.

Fantastic Discovery in the South

Charles N Willess, PLS (CA)
February 19, 2012
Mr. Denny, I have always been an admirer of yours. I only wish I was young enough to assist in any efforts to complete the survey.

Fantastic Discovery in the South

Bill Morton
February 20, 2012
Milton Denny has jumped the gun and written an inaccurate article about some supposed Fantastic Discovery. He has done tremendous damage to historical research by reporting a find without ONE SHRED OF CORROBORATIVE EVIDENCE. What the trio found is a rock in the middle of thousands of acres of the Ellicott Rock Wilderness. They have an opinion that this rock is the real Ellicott's Rock but that is all that is---an opinion. And they are entitled to an opinion. But they are NOT entitled to their version of the facts. Here are the facts: These men know--because I told them--that Ellicott was hired by Georgia to find the 35th. When he did so,in a letter to the governor of North Carolina, he wrote that he inscribed a rock on the WEST side of the Chattooga River with N.C. on one side and G.lat 35 N on the other. He did not say WHERE on the 35th he inscribed the rock---on a nearby ridge, at the river's bank, on top of the bank. These men worked hard and diligently looked for that rock and when they found a rock because of their surveying skills,they were convinced it was the Ellicott's Rock. THEN they did not even bother to dig around the rock to see if an inscription was on it. They took pictures of themselves smiling around a rock, but that does not mean they found anything of historical importance. This article and their puffery is an example of what every researcher knows---only make your claim based on clear and convincing evidence. No guessing, no proclamation, no bragging. That is not what has happened here. I am happy to respond to any questions about the trio's work---and they did work hard trying to find the real Rock---but until someone finds a rock with what Ellicott inscribed on it, all the rest is guess work. I have been throughly researching Andrew Ellicott for over 5 years and speak with some authority. I brought this information to Denny and Crattie and their premature announcement does a disservice to their surveying skills. Now they need to work on their researching skills Bill Morton, angler37@me.com

Additional Information

Milton Denny, PLS
February 23, 2012
With regard to the question about how Ellicott was able to get the accuracy in his surveys, Ellicott was a lot more than the average surveyor. He was an astronomer, mathematician and instrument maker. He found position by observing the stars for their transit with a zenith sector and used this information to calculate latitude. On the beginning point of the Line of Demarcation (31 degrees of latitude), he was able to develop latitude for that position. A surveyor by the name of William Dunbar was able to set his instruments up next to Ellicott and replicate the measurement of Ellicott within 16 feet. In my reestablishing this point, using many different types of evidence including topo calls, my monument and final GPS latitude was within one second of Ellicott’s measurement.

Another comment was made about the ruggedness of the terrain. Ellicott said it was the worst place he had ever been. The wilderness area where the stone is located is also what has preserved the location for 200 years. Most of the southeastern timber was clear-cut somewhere about 1900 with hand saws and log skidding with mules and horses. This played a great part in preserving the mound and stone.

As to whether the stone we found is authentic, it’s important to note that the mound and stone would today look very different than when set by Ellicott. If it is not the stone called for in his letters, I strongly believe it is an Ellicott line stone based on my extensive research over the last 15 years. The original mound would have been four to five feet high with a stone set in the center. After 200 years, we found what is left. The stone looks smaller than when it was set, most likely due to erosion over time. Consider the condition of a cemetery monument after even just 100 years.

I am going to continue research on the mountaintop 11 miles to the west. If I can find a stone on the prime meridian south of the mountain, it would corroborate the latitude of the found stone. I am also conducting research on why Ellicott always ended up short of the latitude he was contracted to set. This might be due to instrument error.

This is all so fascinating!

Kim Buchheit
February 24, 2012
Please excuse my ignorance, but, is it proper to directly compare the results of today's "Geodetic" observations (by handheld GPS) with Andrew Ellicott's "Astronomic" observation methods, procedures and calculations? Based on my rather limited exposure to geodesy and astronomy, I understand that there is a definite and quantifiable difference between the two. I'd like to know how to quantify the difference and which way to apply the correction before attempting to more thoroughly assess the magnitude of Andrew Ellicott's "error" in my personal studies of his work. I am guessing that there are at least a handful of seconds of latitude (or several hundred feet) that may need to be addressed, for better or for worse. Geodesists and/or astronomers, please enlighten me. Thanks! I'd like to imagine that Andrew Ellicott himself would be pleased with continuing verification of his outstanding work. In this light, I was wondering if there are there any records of Andrew Ellicott's accuracy statements. Did he or his "clients" discuss or agree upon accuracy standards or expectations based on the equipment, procedures and methods that were to be utilized? Does anyone know if this information is available and/or where to find it? I'd be very interested to learn what Ellicott said about the accuracy that he believed he could (or did) achieve. For perspective regarding just some of the difficult conditions encountered in December of 1811 during the conduct of Ellicott's work to determine the 35th parallel of latitude, these few words speak volumes: ""¦This was the severest days labour I ever experienced having for want of a sufficient number of hands to carry an axe in one hand and the telescope of the transit instrument in the other. The ridges being covered with dwarf locust, briars, and thorn bushes not only tore our clothes into tatters but our limbs and bodies were lacerated-the blood trickled off the ends of all my fingers. Nothing but well dressed buck-skin is a sufficient guarantee for the body and its members in those mountains." The preceding quote is attributed to Andrew Ellicott's Diary (December 1811), excerpted from Andrew Ellicott, His Life and Letters by Catherine Van Cortlandt Mathews, The Grafton Press, New York, 1908. Hail Andrew"¦If we ever find your original field notes from that day, we expect them to be smeared with your bloody fingerprints! Kimberly A. Buchheit, FL PSM #4838 kimberlybuchheit@gmail.com

stone at ellicott wilderness

bart crattie
February 25, 2012
damn, ain't peer review great. Plato called it a dialogue. Its the only way I know to arrive at the truth. You gotta posit to get a negate.

Posit-ing

Bill Morton
March 2, 2012
Crattie needs to look up the definition of posit before he pontificates (look that up, also) about it. If Crattie and his cronies had posited, that would be acceptable AND admirable. Instead, they jumped to a CONCLUSION based on not much more than finding a rock InThe woods!

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