Another said he would continue to search for employment similar to what he had previously, a management position dealing in high-end surveying tasks (mostly client related), supervising field crews or being a “technical chief” to review surveys before they leave the company. This particular fellow has been unemployed for two years now and nothing is breaking loose.
Yet another person told me he is looking for a government position in the hopes that his qualifications will trump younger, less-qualified workers. He has been through some government interviews and in one case was told that he was the only person who answered all of the interview questions correctly. He did not get the position and has no idea why.
As the conference season has opened up for 2010, I have noticed that attendance is surprisingly decent. There are two reasons for this—one is that continuing education is offered, and the other is the potential for networking. While networking is a smart thing to do, it isn’t really panning out; there are few jobs to be had in surveying.
From my point of view, the situation is both tragic and healthy. But healthy for whom?
The profession will survive because I believe people rise to the occasion. I believe the younger, less-experienced people will perform their jobs satisfactorily, and the tasks will get done. The profession has not really skipped a beat as far as everyday work goes, and the boss is now paying less for the professional result. So, for the short term, jobs will get done and done correctly. However, there has to be a price that will be paid for the “brain drain” that has been occurring.
Or does there?
We have noticed an interesting trend in our training classes during the past year or so. Gone are the people with lackadaisical attitudes. Gone are the people who show up late, leave early or skip entire days altogether. Gone are the people who don’t understand the fundamentals of surveying and drafting. Gone are the people who hold up the class because they don’t have the fundamentals to be in the class in the first place. Gone are the people who don’t apply QA/QC to everything they do.
In fact the people attending our training these days are serious students with an eye toward productivity, automation and quality control. The more-experienced, time-wizened surveyor often leaned toward checking computations by hand. These less-experienced folks can perform multiple computations using the computer and are using one automated process to check another. As a last resort, they might turn to the calculator on their cell phones to perform a manual calculation.
Another difference is that the attendees to our training seem to have more formal education in surveying, while many of their experienced counterparts did not. This makes sense since many states are now requiring a college education in order to qualify for a license. We have been getting questions on double stereo-graphic geodetic projections, geodetic conversions and the like. We are being asked to consult on advanced grading and data prep issues, multiple surfaces, subsurface conditions, the effect of field equipment on 3D data, etc. As a result, the curriculum for our classes has escalated quite rapidly in the past one to two years.
So in short, our industry’s face is changing; personnel are moving in and out. Those exiting need to realize that the employment game is vastly altered from the one in which most of us grew our careers. To turn the situation around, you’ll have to keep up the networking and renew the relationships you had with clients. Bring those relationships to a new prospective employer. Get trained on the latest software and learn about the equipment in use in the field. Put your skills back together and ask yourself, “Would I hire me and, if so, can I afford me?”
What do you think? Please share your comments below.
By: WV Surveyor
Posted: January 27, 2010 11:21 AM
By: Dennis Ernst
Posted: January 27, 2010 11:29 AM
Over time surveyor have chosen to limit their field rather than chose to expand it. In the West we still have title companies that write more legal descriptions than surveyor do. This often reduces their liability but may be a real mess to try to locate on the ground more less try to determine with the boundaries really are.
I am glad to see our young people challenged with the task of stepping up early in their careers It will be that experince that will become their best teacher as they find their place within the survey community.
By: Erik Smydra
Posted: January 27, 2010 11:37 AM
By: IL-MI Surveyor
Posted: January 27, 2010 11:50 AM
But, I think the best point of what you discuss though is how this current economic downturn has accelerated that process. As the mentors that I learned from are all pushed out the door (or leave voluntarily), there's no question that it's leaving a giant vacuum of experience. It's scary to consider how easy it would be for the entire purpose of our industry to be swallowed up and divided evenly between lawyers, title companies, and engineers, but it is most definitely a reality. If the public continues to misunderstand our profession, and now is willing to pay even less for services they don't understand (or want), and they're having trouble finding anyone who can do it competently, they will find another way to get it done. That may mean changing laws or finding backdoor ways to deal with problems, but either way they'll likely be looking for ways to avoid our services rather than come looking for us, which doesn't bode well for an already ailing profession.
It's a scary place out here right now. Last year at this time I was unemployed and living in a different state. Just a few months before that I was a licensed PS who was acting as an instrument man and swinging a sledge hammer, just glad to have any job in this industry. Now I'm at the complete opposite end of the spectrum, even more thankful, but quite aware of the fact that when I'm calling my own shots it's not nearly as easy or comfortable as it was when I had an experienced mentor in the next office.
Thanks for the article. I enjoyed it.
By: mike
Posted: January 27, 2010 12:02 PM
By: Steve
Posted: January 27, 2010 12:47 PM
By: Dick Lawrence
Posted: January 27, 2010 3:16 PM
By: James Couts, PLS, CFedS
Posted: January 27, 2010 5:43 PM
I don't mind a young up and comer getting a management job, or an older more experienced surveyor keeping him from getting one. Its all competition, and competition makes us better.
Steve nailed it on the head. We need to charge professional fees. Nothing will kill us quicker than bidding below the next guy, although some people feel they need it to survive.
If there were one thing we could all do to help preserve our jobs and wages it would be to act professional. Lets show our clients what it means to be a Professional Land Surveyor. Lets show the lawyers, title companies, and engineers how we have more (surveying) knowledge than them and can produce a better more correct product. Most of all lets get involved in organizations that can protect our rights with legislatures and licensing boards. If we are "swallowed up," it will only be our own fault.
By: IL-MI Surveyor
Posted: January 28, 2010 10:39 AM
Including myself, I've worked with probably ten other guys in a similar situation (all with considerably more experience than myself). Most of them started off as PEs, went back to school for a couple classes and eventually got their PLS. I went about it a little differently, getting both degrees at the same time before getting any experience, but eventually becoming licensed in both.
Almost invariably (as in, only one of those ten people I mentioned is the exception), every one of us is admittedly weak in one of those professions. Guys who started off as successful engineers and later got their PLS are typically poor surveyors, with very little field experience and almost no feel for the "art" side of surveying. Likewise, those that focus on the PLS side have very little interest in engineering and don't have the type of mindset it takes to become a proficient engineer.
I myself admit that I would MUCH rather spend my time surveying than engineering. Although I may have graduated with a CE degree, and have passed the PE, my mind doesn't function (or at least enjoy functioning) that way.
Now, I'm sure there are many many exceptions to my experiences, and I'm confident there are many people who are very good engineers and surveyors, and just as many who have both licenses and spend almost no time doing either (as they're working in the PM side of things)... but from my experience I would not try to be both a Civil Engineer and a Surveyor. Two very different (and often conflicting) mindsets are required to be good at them, and more than likely you're going to be doing one or both of those professions a disservice.
Just my humble opinion, as someone who did go in that direction. Your last point (about the education, costs, and delay involved) is very valid, however. I do feel like Surveyors are too quietly taking the short end of the stick. But, if you're in love with doing that kind of work, the effort it takes and the pay you bring home don't matter much...
By: TX Surveyor
Posted: February 1, 2010 3:23 PM
By: George O'Quinn
Posted: February 10, 2010 12:25 PM
We are losing a generation of surveyors to the economic downturn. When things come back, and they will, there will be a void. A missing generation that has left the profession and gone forever to wherever they can to put food on the table. Education and apprenticeship is vital to keep the profession energized, capable and ready to respond to the market demands. The tide will come in. The waiting is painfull.
Thanks again for the article.
By: Dwight
Posted: February 10, 2010 9:49 PM
By: iasnowneverends
Posted: February 11, 2010 10:11 PM