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Sight Lines: Out of Bounds
by Christine Grahl
September 2, 2009

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I received a letter a few weeks ago from a homeowner who had a bone to pick with a surveyor. The homeowner—we’ll call him Bill—had recently settled a six-year-old lawsuit with his neighbor over his property boundary lines and right-of-way.

Bill was not the only person involved. The neighbor—whom we’ll call Julie—had moved into the subdivision and tried to build a fence around her property. Another of Julie’s neighbors claimed she was encroaching on his lot lines, so Julie hired a surveyor. Based on that surveyor’s findings, Julie sued two of her neighbors, including Bill, claiming that their boundary lines and rights-of-way were wrong and that they were trespassing on her property. The original subdivision map dated back to the 1920s.

The court decided against Julie in one case after an expert witness testified that the method used by the defendant’s surveyor of occupying interior monuments placed by other surveyors in the 1960s and harmonizing them with other surveys in the area was a proper method of survey and the one he would have used under the circumstances. Julie’s surveyor disagreed. Going back to the original map, the surveyor had documented what he believed were errors in the more recent surveys and had established new boundaries based on proration.

Bill said that the surveyor’s solution “had a domino effect” in the subdivision, with several property line battles continuing even after the first case was decided. In the end, however, no lot lines were moved.

“What an ordeal!” he says. “Six years of time and money spent. Six years of arguing with my neighbor. Nothing on the ground changed. What a big waste.”

I can see his point. I have seen neighbors fighting with neighbors over property lines, and it is never pleasant. In my own small subdivision several years ago, three homeowners moved after a bitter dispute in which one homeowner’s survey revealed that she actually had far more property than what she was claiming. She built her new fence accordingly, and the three other homeowners lost most of their backyards. I don’t know whether any of the homeowners took their case to court. Regardless, it is the surveyor’s job to find such discrepancies.

But there is a human side of the equation that has to be considered along with all of the maps and monuments. Is it right to “follow the footsteps of the original surveyor” if it means disturbing subsequent surveys that have long been held as correct? What if doing so negatively affects an entire community?

In Bill’s case, he notes that “the current location of my boundary and peace of my community can be easily traced back 60-plus years to nearby monuments and development. Ironically, the surveyor rejected, ignored and/or minimized all of this evidence of establishment.” By going back to the original map, the surveyor was just doing his job, and there are many who believe that his methodology was correct. Others, including Bill, disagree.

Nevertheless, Bill’s point in writing the letter is worth considering. “To the readers of your magazine, let this be a reminder of how important existing boundary lines are to owners,” Bill admonishes. “Tread carefully before you disturb them, and be a problem solver not a problem maker.”


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What do you think? Please post your comments below.


Christine Grahl
pobeditor@bnpmedia.com
Christine Grahl is the editor of POB magazine. She can be reached at 248.366.6981.

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Title: Sight Lines: Out of Bounds


Makes me wonder why I got into the surveying profession in the first place. I see both sides of it and after 20 years of surveying I realize there isn't always a "right" way to do things.


Title: Solving disputes


Getting attorneys involved is the wrong thing to do, especially if they don't understand surveying.


Title: Comment on retracing an earlier survey


It should be remembered that a Surveyor stakes on the face of the earth what your title describes, not what your client "owns". One is the practice of Surveying, the other the practice of law.


Title: Out of bounds


Going back to the original "map" and ignoring the evidence on the ground is not "following in the footsteps of the original surveyor". The original surveyor did his survey on the ground; a map is only someones attempt to represent the ground survey. Why is this so difficult for some surveyors to understand?


Title: What's wrong with this picture?


My first observation is that Julie built her fence first, then called a surveyor. Kinda like putting the cart in front of the horse. Here in the Chicago suburbs we have found that many municipalities are not requiring new surveys or requiring surveys to be staked for fence construction or any other property line critical home improvement projects. This is going to lead to the same issues that you have shown in your blog.

As far as the survey that you spoke of, it was technically correct in following the footsteps of the original surveyor. But was he right? The courts have the final say in setting boundary lines.

Ted Madson said it correctly many years ago, "Land surveying is 95% law and 5% technology". Today we seem to be turning those figures aroung.


Title: The Surveyor's Role in Dispute Resolution...


Too often, we have been told that, "It's not our job." We're only supposed to "retrace footsteps," "show the evidence," or to "stake the 'title.'" Each comment considers only a small part of our job; none of them encompassing our real task.

Surveyors survey BOUNDARIES. Sometimes the evidence leads us to the recovery of original monuments and our job is complete. Sometimes it leads us to running a boundary on the ground for the first time. Sometimes it leads us to a situation fraught with ambiguity or conflict.

When ambiguities, uncertainties or disputes are exposed, that's not the time to slam points in the ground in spite of the conflicting evidence, show the "survey line" or the "deed line" or the "occupation line" and walk away.

It's a time to step back. It's a time to renegotiate your contract. It's a time to put on your consulting hat or your mediator's hat, and assist the landowners in resolving the ambiguities.

That may mean more research, it may mean more field work, it may mean a higher level of expertise. It may mean you'll have to charge for the additional work, take more time to complete the job, do fewer surveys, have less liability, make more money, and provide greater professional service.

That's what we're in, aren't we? A Profession.

JBS


Title: Not a six year waste


It seems bill was able to stop the wrong from happening and was able to stick it to julie! I wouldnt consider that a six year waste.. but a pro-longed victory.


Title: Comment on retracing an earlier survey


Larry is right, if next surveyor after the original had done his job, there would be no problem. I love competing against a surveyor who only flags 1 corner on the road and calls all the fences "on line"(sic). We in florida are paid to survey the deed, so that the title matches the survey, if there is a problem, we must show it. Ted Madson is an attorney, litigation starts at $5,000.


Title: who wants to sign it?


Or.....who wants to buy one in this ragged ecomomy? Documentation can't be stressed enough. And get this..they're sending young lads out there to figure this stuff out...so much for seasoned surveyors, you get my point.


Title: Comments


I would disagree with Larry. Our job is to retrace boundary lines. Only retracing the deed lines puts us in the fast line to the courts. Our liability is immensely increased at that point. If we are not part of the solution, we are part of the problem.

Finding and offering ideas as solutions is not the practice of law; it is the practice of surveying. Advocating for your client is the practice of law. Offering to mediate the boundary, as JB Stahl suggests, is within the realm of what a surveyor can, and should, do.


Title: following in the footsteps of those who have gone before


Is following in the footsteps of those who have gone before the correct method. Of course it is, But which surveys have gone before. Are you using GLO corners that have been perpetuated, But were they truly perpetuated? Surely someone somewhere did not use said corner, or a blunder was made. What to do. I have always folloded what least upsets the "Integrity of the Community" And a community does have an Integity. Why upset others by the finding that a group of pins or other type monuments fail to tie to a corner that you think you have found to be the original corner and it is a couple of feet off. If you put in new pins, All you are doing is creating jobs for lawyers. And do you know what they charge. Well it is the difference between me driving an old worn out pickup and them driving a porsh! I think that the law is discression that is oft times ignored.

James Cook, PLS
Calico Rock, Arkansas


Title: Boundary Surveyor Prime Directive:


We are the "reality" profession, not the "where it should be," the "fixing ancient mistakes" or the "making the world into neat little squares just like the Plat" profession.

We survey the reality or where the boundaries are actually located, ugly as they may be to our Scientific Surveyor minds.

Christine's letter writer's sentiments are understandable. Monuments have been in use for 40 years so why are we suddenly upsetting the whole applecart just because our sensibility's are offended?


Title: "plausible boundary resolution hypotheses"



I was told by one authority that the surveyor acted with "plausible boundary resolution hypotheses" (a surveyors ultimate trump card and shield).

Too bad his hypotheses went against common sense (and the public good) for he was mortified by a result that impeached his judgment.




 

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